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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 23:59:17 +0000
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Subject: {GRP} Re: The Arab Religion Followers.... Who Are Hate Mongers.....Wake Up Morons.......

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On Saturday, 27 June 2015 7:56 PM, iftekhar.hai <iftekhar.hai@gmail.com> wrote:


Sarwat Ali:r 

Kishan Bhatia believes in CIRCULAR HATEFUL LOGIC.  Didn't I told you that he is not a rationalist pragmatic person.  You give excellent examples and corner him, but he slips away and start again his Circular Hateful Logic against Muslims, against Islam and against our Prophet.

There is a DELETE BUTTON  on computer, you must use this against him as often as you can.

You have already defeated him in presenting your logical side to things, but he refuses to ADMIT.  He is foolish too besides
being bigot.

Iftekhar Hai


On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Kishan Bhatia <kbhatia323@gmail.com> wrote:
Jesus introduced God of love, mercy and compassion to common men of the time  as the war mongering tribal kings and warlords - Jews and Romans, the ruling establishment followed the God of submission to authority, rewards and punishment.

God of love, mercy and compassion introduce by Jesus gradually disappeared after 2nd century as Romans convert and established Roman Catholic faith that incorporated Roman Pagan and tribal rituals of warmongering.

Kishan Bhatia

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 5:40 PM, portugheis alberto <alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Jesus is NOT a revered prophet. Jesus was a great guy, the first "socialist" on earth, when society was not ready for socialism. He was also the first self-avowed hater of violence and war.

His strong anti-molotary stance cost him his life, at an early age. 

Alberto
  



On Saturday, 27 June 2015, 22:59, Kishan Bhatia <kbhatia323@gmail.com> wrote:


Two points, Sarwat Ali jee:

  1. The Jesus was quoted by the path finder, not you if I remember it correctly. Anyway I was referring to the pathfinder. My bad if I confused you.
  2. Yes, you are argumentative and it has nothing to do with democracy. IMH(umble)O you are not as well read as you think or should be. In democracy the issues are logically debated with an open mind if consensus is to be arrived at. Democracy fails if debaters insist that it is my way or high way. Democracy allows people to hold different opinions nd faiths to follow.
There are several people who have written on the history of how Caliphate was established by a gang o Arab thugs with tribal Arab and pagan beliefs. Muslim scriptures were written in 10th century by a committee of scholars appointed by third Ottoman Caliph and for political expediency Caliphate attributed it to the 7th century leader of the Arab thug tribe.

Caliphate is a tribal political institution designed to impose the Arab Tribe and  pagan rituals in the conquered lands.  Their goals were simple; kill the men who refuse to submit to Caliphate authority, collect Zakat, enslave women for personal sexual pleasures, loot and plunder occupied lands and establish a colonial rule wherever possible. Indian subcontinent, Persia and Central Asia are some examples of Arbs imposing their will on converted natives and their progeny.

Earlier today Turkman had posted a timeline based history of Caliphate under a heading, "1300 years of Moslim Dominance?" Let me know what parts of it are not easy to comprehend or are erroneous.

To me you come across as a Muslim who follows a revisionist history and beliefs that are not the same as that of many other on this forum including the pseudo-secularist pathfinder and many more secular Muslims. You are among a group of professed interfaith followers who want non-Muslims in the land they reside to be secular and continue with a radical faith that is discredited by fundamentalist Muslims everyday and globally ravaged by Islamist Jihadist by  senseless killings of civilians going about their adult daily lives. Tunisia, Kuwait and France are three of a number of IS Jihadi Terrorist attacks in three Subcontinents that were reported yesterday.

I accept your statement that you condemn their or IS actions but I think they are as much Muslims as you are and if interested you should help get the Muslim house in order.

You may ask how?

Well there are two globally recognized seminaries in India; one is Darul Uloom Deoband https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darul_Uloom_Deoband and other is Barelvi @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barelvi

For a review of Muslim education in India, "

MADRASA EDUCATION IN INDIA- Is it to sustain medieval attitude among Muslims?

Submitted by asiaadmin2 on Sat, 09/22/2012 - 12:06
Paper No. 730                                      02/07/2003
by R.Upadhyay.
- See more at: http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/paper730#sthash.Z6S0pylF.dpuf

As Sunni Muslim do you follow Hanafi traditions? If not, then which one?

Kishan Bhatia



On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Sarwat Ali <ali.sarwat@gmail.com> wrote:
You are misquoting Kishan Bhatia jee.

 Jesus is a revered prophet with immense humanity . 

Comparing, humiliating, using bad language is not my forte. My islam has not taught me to indulge in such practices. 

You would say I am argumentative. No,  I am democratic, I accept differing views,I believe in decent discussions. You find me argumentative because you are authoritative and wish that your views must prevail.  







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